JO: yes. Well actually, the whole theme of my project really is that if we don’t act decently, we are not going to survive as a species.

S: exactly that. Exactly. I’m glad somebody is switched on because everyone round here just follows. They’re sheep. They follow a lot of propaganda. There’ s a lot of propaganda out there, but there’s a lot of fact out there … but a lot of people just choose to switch off in general and just choose to ignore every bit of it. And it’s like, then you never know what’s going on.

JO: Are you hopeful? Do you think we’re at sort of ‘peak bad’?

S: well, the thing is to me … unless they actually start setting nukes off, it can’t get worse than it is really right now at the moment.

JO: that’s how I feel

… you should never have a businessman running a country. Why would you have a businessman as a politician? He’s only in it for one thing. He’s a businessman. Do you know what I am saying?.

S: you’ve got all these natural disasters going on and everything … you’ve got all these horrible politicians that shouldn’t even be in power .. like Trump in power … it’s not to do with like … everyone’s like “yeah, he’s this and that” … you should never have a businessman running a country. Why would you have a businessman as a politician? He’s only in it for one thing. He’s a businessman. Do you know what I am saying?

JO: yes, I think the old … the technical term for it was fascism, wasn’t it?

S: yes, don’t know if you wanted to report that on there? No. That’s completely correct.

JO: I don’t think it can really get much worse. I feel like we’ve got 5 years to turn the ship around.

S: that’s a good. Yes. I can see that. That’s a good shout … whether we do. …

JO: I mean … I think it’s a question of critical mass. I don’t think everyone is going to contribute to a direction change but we need enough people …

S: to just push the idea forward …

JO: and to do it effectively. So, I think, if enough people everywhere can act in a coordinated way, maybe we can do it.

S: there’s a bit of hope.

JO: I think so.

S: Love that.

JO: Thanks very much.

S: Any time.

3rdP: Can I just ask, do you know where the Pound Shop is?

S: the who?

3rdP: the Pound Shop.

S: the PoundLand in Queen Street. So, you’ve got to go up here, right to the very end, and round to the right…

3rdP: is it far?

S: about 10 minutes. And you can go through the shopping centre with the dog?

3rdP: yes

S: You can go through there. Cut through there and straight through.

3rdP: Straight through.

S: Straight through. You come out by Burger King. It’s by Burger King.

3rdP: Thank you

S: Have a lovely day.

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